Time To Focus On The Real Issue.

[Double Trouble]

So much is being made about Jack, Bas, Kamla and Dooks, while the real issue and only issue is to remove Patrick Manning and the PNM from governing T&T.

Quite frankly, I can only envision a better republic for all citizens, when these greedy and incompetent present government ministers are voted out of public office. Let's face facts, Patrick Manning and company have had more chances at screwing up T&T than any other government in the free and democratic world. How many more kicks at the can do they need, before they get just the basics right? So much wealth flowing, billions being spent and yet we can't see tangible improvement in our twin island nation. Crime is up and violent criminals are boldly going about their "business", without fear of being apprehended by law enforcement. What did all those billions spent on crime prevention buy Trinidadians, certainly not a sense of security? These spent billions, which look like money down the proverbial drain, could have been allocated to the improvement and construction of healthcare facilities in T&T. Speaking of healthcare facilities, look at the shameful situation with the construction of the Tobago hospital. Where is the outrage against Manning and his government? Are all Trinis just mindless party people, willing to accept decades of mediocrity?

Nepotistic Manning is greedy, arrogant and getting bolder by the second. It's apparent that being the Prime Minister is all about him. Prime Minister Manning has continually abused his powers, for the betterment of the Manning household. Talk about balls, this man appointed his unqualified wife to head up one of the most important portfolios in his government. He did this at the expense of others who were elected by the population and the children of our nation. Did I mention that Patrick increased salaries atleast twice in the last five years, giving him and his spouse a combined income of approx two million dollars per annum? You'd figure that the Mannings are sharing a residence so they would give the country a break with their paid expenses, well think again. It's like watching Hogs Gone Wild, while a huge percentage of the population struggle to make ends meet. What's even more frightening is Patrick's obsession to be Ruler For Life.

So, all you forumites, you know yourselves, enough with the petty bullsh!t. It's time to focus on the resident evil and the real issue. Jack is not the issue. Bas is not the issue. Dookeran is not the issue. It's time to stop with the daily bickering amongst yourselves. Shut up already!

[gaia]

I agree with you doubletrouble, we need to focus on getting rid of that destructive, greedy, heartless PM and party. Petty things like Dooks fainted at his brothers funeral, who bedding whom etc is not important. When we place energy into pettyness we weaken our focus and create negativity. But the recent activities in the PNM camp and the UNC camp should open thousand of eyes to the chaos and where it is leading. As the chinese says, chaos leads to harmony. positivism etc. Its time for the pple to see, understand and put their energy into the only positive, stable and progressive party available. What is the message this party is giving us? Positive or negative? Is it centered,decisive and progressive? Lets forget all the old political history about what happened to new parties in the past etc. We want change, lets support change. I am not surprised, indeed I do expect Kamla and Cardiz to now join COP! Man proposes, but God moves in mysterious ways and thousand of pple throughout the nation are praying that peace, love, harmony and caring honest politicians will enter the political arena. LoL!!

[citizen]

I can only support what this thread is suggesting. I never thought that I would say this, but I would even ask Abu Bakr to endorse the COP.
1. Cadiz has resigned - so there is effectively no UNCA
2. Kamla has been pushed aside and Bas/Jack are both useless - so the UNC is doomed
By a simple process of elimination, there is only one alternative - the COP.
I hope that both Kamla and Cadiz migrate to the COP, and quickly.

[King B]

It's the same rhetoric over and over and the opposition forces are still scheduled to get the ass whuppin of a lifetime. Allyuh will never learn.

YYYYYYAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN.

[citizen]

If the PNM wins again, it will be a sad commentary on the populace of T&T. It will indeed demonstrate
1. They lack critical thinking skills
2. They lack awareness
3. They suffer from the dependency syndrome
4. They "like it so".
However, people get what they deserve. The present regime uses mushroom governance - keep the people in the dark and feed them BS!
Yes, the opposition forces may well get a whuppin, but the fact remains that the PNM is a party of corruption, under whose watch the quality of life has been seriously eroded.

[peanut]

If the PNM wins again, it will be a sad commentary on the populace of T&T. It will indeed demonstrate
1. They lack critical thinking skills
2. They lack awareness
3. They suffer from the dependency syndrome
4. They "like it so".
However, people get what they deserve. The present regime uses mushroom governance - keep the people in the dark and feed them BS!
Yes, the opposition forces may well get a whuppin, but the fact remains that the PNM is a party of corruption, under whose watch the quality of life has been seriously eroded.

CITIZEN

I have always told these people that one day is like a year in Politics. Tide tides have changed overnight with the kicking aside of Kamla. COP's chances are getting better and PNM chances of getting a special majority is decreasing daily.

[b]KING B[b]

Go to sleep, we will wake you up on November 6th 2007, but be prepared to meet the PNM back in Opposition.

[knives]

peanut is right,

COP is just gaining more and more momentum daily while PNM and UNC (more UNC), loses support. At fist, i was skeptical hearing Nirad Tewari and Yetming say they don't need to join the UNC to win this elections, but I am becoming a believable.

In my career I have to visit difference workplaces quite often, and almost every single person is supporting COP, some PNM, and a small handful supporting the UNC-A.

UNC-A is gimmick, and the last few days have shown that.

Now with Stephen Cadiz (what was he thinking joining the UNC), leaving them high and dry, UNC-A has lost their only important alliance member.

If Cadiz still wants to persue a career in politics (I think he'd make the best Minister of Nat Sec ever), he will join the COP. Under the COP name, Cadiz stands a very very strong chance of winning the Deigo Martin seat he wishes to contest.....under UNC i doubt he would have won.

After this weekend I expect to come out the best of the 3 parties.

I can see PNM rally of CEPEP,URP,Gang members, having a smaller attendance when compared to COPs Woodford Sq outing.

I can UNC's rally being a sober affair, with only the sycophants attending...very curious to see how much are still left. But this meeting could and probally will highlight how the UNC has become devoid of intelligent independent thinkers.

Now for COP, i can this meeting being far the biggest. COP will wow the nation like they did at woodford sq, and it will be the only party to gain more support after this weekend's rallys. Mark my words.

[Maccogirl]

Cop gaining from all this right all yuh does believe what every you read in the papers, but I guess COP supporters would love to pretend that all this mess will boost the COP. People calling for Kamla to join COP while her staff and constituents saying she better not :D Cadiz quit or so the papers reported and the Alliance mash up because Cadiz was the biggest pull I guess LFL will pull out next because Julia Davies very close to Cadiz and since he is the biggest pull LFL will stay with YESTT.

I hope when you all witness the PNM crowd to day you will then rethink how dead PNM is, no on beating PNM in this election I said it over and over and everyone knows am not a supporter of the PNM but they have it down so forget all this nonsense in the papers that is being put there as usual to give the COP a look as the most stable party in the mix UNCA have problems PNM have problems but try as this good media may COP will not make it so they better get use to dealing with the PNM if they want their advertising money to flow once again :D

As for the UNCA am sure they will sort out their business and by Sunday it will be one love again, but the media will put their nastiness because they want a low turn out to the people thing once again to give the impression that the UNCA dead. Maybe some of you rather than bothering so much about PNM/UNC business start to study why one section of the business community so fully behind the COP remember who pays the piper plays the tune :D

[peanut]

remember who pays the piper plays the tune :D

I see, so Kamla wasn't paying de piper, is dat why she got kicked out?

[Scorpio]

I never thought that I would say this, but I would even ask Abu Bakr to endorse the COP.


:shock: :shock: :shock: Perish the thought !!! Anybody but that multi-murderer.

[Scorpio]

It's the same rhetoric over and over and the opposition forces are still scheduled to get the ass whuppin of a lifetime. Allyuh will never learn.

YYYYYYAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN.

The UNC just handed thousands of thier usual votes to the COP with that dotish move to make Jack and Panday boss, so if I was a PNM supporter, I would be getting a lil worried.

Oh, but PNM supporters aren't smart enough to figure things like that out, are they ?

[peanut]

It's the same rhetoric over and over and the opposition forces are still scheduled to get the ass whuppin of a lifetime. Allyuh will never learn.

YYYYYYAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN.

The UNC just handed thousands of thier usual votes to the COP with that dotish move to make Jack and Panday boss, so if I was a PNM supporter, I would be getting a lil worried.

Oh, but PNM supporters aren't smart enough to figure things like that out, are they ?

No they aren't :lol: :lol: :lol:

[latany]

kamlah should accept Dooks offer, and leave those two clowns Bass and Jack to their own selfish bidding. Bass is a spoiler and he can spoil anything without the help of anyone else.

[King B]

We smart enough to realize that the UNC not going to lose all of their support so the COP still has an up hill battle. Also, in a three horse race in the marginals the PNM is sure to win... but I am sure you geniuses realised that. Right? :roll:

What opposition parties and their supporters like DT fail to realise is that just trying to move the government has never been a powerful enough motivator to rally the troops. That is why the PNM been beating everyone for almost 50 years. The real issues are what will the COP or UNC provide for the country? Not the ridiculous mauvais langue DT that has become DT's trademark. Everyone already knows what to expect from the UNC and have rejected them time and time again for it. Their B team will receive the same treatment. While COP and UNC talking about the PM residence and Manning wife as a minister, the PNM talking about the lowest unemployment reate ever, the strongest economy ever, free education from nursery to tertiery, free school books, free medication, low cost housing, salary increases and back pay for the entire public service...

So allyuh go ahead with the usual nonsense and not give the electorate the intellectual credit they deserve; the end result will be one you should all be accustomed to by now.

[saltwater]

PNM Supporters who always saying they so spiritual should look at this as an act of God, telling them that this is what their support for PNM means for them in the future. God is showing them.
DT I really meant to say that the below article more than adequately points to some real issues facing the country.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/editorial.html

Floods and violence, politics and engineering

The photograph in the Sunday Guardian of Baptist Archbishop Barbara Gray-Burke walking through inches of water in her Laventille church was the mildest of all the reactions to the flash flooding that hit Port-of-Spain on Saturday.

Sudden, heavy rainfall dislodged mud and gravel from an excavation project higher up the Laventille hill and brought it streaming down into buildings, one of them Gray-Burke’s place of worship.

The Morvant river, clogged with debris and mud, settled in the lowland area of the Beetham Estate and burst its banks, flowing filthy water onto the Priority Bus Route, through the homes in the settlement and onto the Churchill-Roosevelt Highway reaching as far as the NP gas station at the Barataria roundabout.

While politicians were offering their candidates and outlining their strategies in the rain at Skinner Park and Woodford Square, one of the longest festering problems of public works in Trinidad and Tobago had surged to the forefront of the public consciousness again.

The flood waters slowed vehicular traffic to a crawl and angered the residents of Beetham Estate, who took action, not against the relentless flood waters but in an ill-considered protest action on the Churchill-Roosevelt Highway.

The angry protest patterned after those which have become institutionalised as a way of drawing media response and political comfort in recent years, the road was blocked with household debris, but the churning waters made it impossible to burn smoking tyres.

In the absence of flaming rubber, another layer of fury ignited, as furious residents quarrelled with hapless motorists trying to pump their engines fast enough to clear the rising waters and some predators were reported to have robbed motorists in the midst of all this chaos.

The protest ended the way it typically does, with armed soldiers solemnly enforcing the law with solemn eyes and low-slung sub-machine guns and police officers directing the removal of debris from the highway.

What did this “protest” achieve?

The unpleasant undercurrent of robbery casts an unfortunate pall on the citizens who have built a viable community out of a shanty town, and whose hard work deserves more than a lingering reputation for criminal activity.

These citizens also deserve to live in the reasonable expectation that the nearby river would be tended to, ensuring that their investment in creating homes would be both respected and preserved.

For all the ugliness on display on the Churchill-Roosevelt Highway, this turned out to be one of the least invasive floodings that the country has experienced in recent years.

Drainage works along Wrightson Road appear to have successfully managed the flow of water brought by the downpour and residents of French Street, an area traditionally badly hit by flood waters, reported a temporary surge in water levels for an hour before the drainage system routed the water away.

Similar reports of quickly dissipating flood waters came from El Socorro and San Juan.

But before Works Minister Colm Imbert rushes pen to paper to cite these relative successes and point to the Government’s recently announced plans for watercourse management, he should pause to consider that any strategy is only remembered by its weakest link.

On Saturday that link, that damaging oversight, was to be found in the axis of Laventille and Barataria, as dubiously managed works in the heights of Laventille, heavy rains and a poorly maintained Morvant River conspired to remind the ruling party’s voting heartland that nature knows no constituency.
©2005-2006 Trinidad Publishing Company Limited

[Double Trouble]

We smart enough to realize that the UNC not going to lose all of their support so the COP still has an up hill battle. Also, in a three horse race in the marginals the PNM is sure to win... but I am sure you geniuses realised that. Right? :roll:

What opposition parties and their supporters like DT fail to realise is that just trying to move the government has never been a powerful enough motivator to rally the troops. That is why the PNM been beating everyone for almost 50 years. The real issues are what will the COP or UNC provide for the country? Not the ridiculous mauvais langue DT that has become DT's trademark. Everyone already knows what to expect from the UNC and have rejected them time and time again for it. Their B team will receive the same treatment. While COP and UNC talking about the PM residence and Manning wife as a minister, the PNM talking about the lowest unemployment reate ever, the strongest economy ever, free education from nursery to tertiery, free school books, free medication, low cost housing, salary increases and back pay for the entire public service...
So allyuh go ahead with the usual nonsense and not give the electorate the intellectual credit they deserve; the end result will be one you should all be accustomed to by now.

B,

This election should be a walk in the park for Manning, considering the huge royalty dollars being generated by high oil prices. Why are the natives, including some PNMites, so fedup with PappyTrick's idea of ah fust world government?

You have the nerve to come here and beat yuh chest like some ape in heat, spewing semi-truths on how the billions were spent or should I say wasted, in the last five years. I know "free" is ah magic world for some of you PNMites but don't insult us with outlandish claims. The only "freebies" worth a mention or of any quality are the ones the members of the Manning clan are privy to. Like the construction of a $148 million palace worthy of any African dictator worth his salt, while the sick have to settle for beds of concrete at the Sando hospital. Free medication you say, when there are countless reports of patients' families having to purchase the necessary meds from private sources, because the healthcare centres never have them in stock? Would Pappy consider going for medical attention in his own riding?

Boy, stop yuh nonsense and tell us how the billions spent on crime have made T&T safer than the previous five years. Give us ah break down on where all the monies were spent and how the average citizen is better off because of this cash infusion. Can you publicly claim that T&T citizens have the best standard of living in the region? Can you assure us that we will get potable water, every time we turn on our taps? Can you tell us when the Tobago Hospital will be completed and how much the final tab will be?

[Scorpio]

While KBB yawns and talks about free everything and low rock painting unemployment, the woes continue for this PNM vote bank :

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,65584.html

Mattresses, $$ for Beetham
By Sandra Singh Monday, October 8 2007

Residents of Beetham Gardens yesterday spent the entire day engaged in clean up operations after heavy showers on Saturday flooded their community and homes.

Many residents were forced to flee their houses in an attempt to escape the flood waters. Policemen had to be also called out on Saturday after the residents blocked the Churchill Roosevelt Highway venting their frustration over the perennial flooding in the area.

[Dispatcher]

While KBB yawns and talks about free everything and low rock painting unemployment, the woes continue for this PNM vote bank :

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,65584.html

Mattresses, $$ for Beetham
By Sandra Singh Monday, October 8 2007

Residents of Beetham Gardens yesterday spent the entire day engaged in clean up operations after heavy showers on Saturday flooded their community and homes.

Many residents were forced to flee their houses in an attempt to escape the flood waters. Policemen had to be also called out on Saturday after the residents blocked the Churchill Roosevelt Highway venting their frustration over the perennial flooding in the area.

You mean Beetham right next to the sea and nobody can come up with some draiange system in the area to allow excess water to flow out to the Gulf? I'm sure some of that $148M spend on the PM's residence could have resolved that problem.

But no they like it so!

[Scorpio]

The PNM apologists will come and argue that flooding is an act of God and they ent have no control over dat, even though it happening year after year.

De Beetham residence will smile and go and vote back PNM.

yep, they like it so.

[vaio]

of couse dey do... who you think dey votin for??!!! the almighty PNM

[King B]

While KBB yawns and talks about free everything and low rock painting unemployment, the woes continue for this PNM vote bank :

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,65584.html

Mattresses, $$ for Beetham
By Sandra Singh Monday, October 8 2007

Residents of Beetham Gardens yesterday spent the entire day engaged in clean up operations after heavy showers on Saturday flooded their community and homes.

Many residents were forced to flee their houses in an attempt to escape the flood waters. Policemen had to be also called out on Saturday after the residents blocked the Churchill Roosevelt Highway venting their frustration over the perennial flooding in the area.

You mean Beetham right next to the sea and nobody can come up with some draiange system in the area to allow excess water to flow out to the Gulf? I'm sure some of that $148M spend on the PM's residence could have resolved that problem.

But no they like it so!

That is exactly why there is a problem. It is next to the sea and once there is heavy rainfall the water has nowhere to run off.

[Scorpio]

While KBB yawns and talks about free everything and low rock painting unemployment, the woes continue for this PNM vote bank :

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,65584.html

Mattresses, $$ for Beetham
By Sandra Singh Monday, October 8 2007

Residents of Beetham Gardens yesterday spent the entire day engaged in clean up operations after heavy showers on Saturday flooded their community and homes.

Many residents were forced to flee their houses in an attempt to escape the flood waters. Policemen had to be also called out on Saturday after the residents blocked the Churchill Roosevelt Highway venting their frustration over the perennial flooding in the area.

You mean Beetham right next to the sea and nobody can come up with some draiange system in the area to allow excess water to flow out to the Gulf? I'm sure some of that $148M spend on the PM's residence could have resolved that problem.

But no they like it so!

That is exactly why there is a problem. It is next to the sea and once there is heavy rainfall the water has nowhere to run off.

SO how PNM ent give dem a free house yet ? Ent everything giving away for free under the great PNM according to you ?

[sam48]

To be fair, what was known as "shanty town" became Beetham Gardens at the insistence of the dwellers and against the plans of the then PNM government whom they supported.
They insisted that it was where they wished to live because they made a living salvaging items from the La Basse. Eric Williams threw his hands in the air,shook his head and gave in to their wishes. It is probably those of two generations later that are now complaining and a re probably unaware of what transpired at that time. I am not a PNM supporter by the way.

[raider]

maybe manning could put some of them beetham people next to the 'seer womman' down in beach camp. ent they spend millions fixing that place up, and i am sure the 'seer woman' could use some company. palo seco does get kinda boring sometimes.

[vaio]

maybe manning could put some of them beetham people next to the 'seer womman' down in beach camp. ent they spend millions fixing that place up, and i am sure the 'seer woman' could use some company. palo seco does get kinda boring sometimes.


anybody know who de seer woman is??

[Maria]

It's amazing how so many people can be so wrong in so many ways.

Firstly, I sat before the tv screen and observed the three rallies. The COP was:
(1) the smallest (2) the least dynamic and (3) their speeches were much too 'Patrick' centered, hence nothing was learned. MC Anil Roberts - was a horrible squalking hyena.

Of the three rallies, the UNC's was the most dynamic, crowd pleasing, and PNM had the largest crowd ever seen in Woodford Square. Ask Dr. Hamid Ghany or anyone looking on objectively.

About the economy of T&T. If you want to change management for change sake, do so surely. But what you are saying is emotional and false. The proof is there in black and white in the Forbes International report of 28 September '07. Just read and try to understand. Our economy is strong and is projected to remain strong in the future "under the assumption of policy continuity after the upcoming elections"- and that by international economic ratings specialists:

Trinidad and Tobago's strong current account surplus performance is expected to continue, and is forecast to reach 24 pct of GDP in 2007 and at about 22 pct in 2008,' S&P said.

S&P expects the general government surplus at 1 pct of GDP in 2007 and 0.6 pct in 2008, and is forecast to rebound to about 1 pct of GDP in 2009 under the assumption of policy continuity after the upcoming elections. The country's next government is expected to gradually reduce the pace of public spending in order to reduce inflationary pressures.

The rating agency also affirmed the 'A+' long-term local, 'A-2' short-term foreign, and 'A-1' short-term local currency sovereign credit ratings on the republic.

The stable outlook on the local currency rating balances a falling government debt burden with inflationary pressures that have resulted in the country's central bank increasing open market operations.[/i]

[cm103]

Of the three rallies, the UNC's was the most dynamic, crowd pleasing,

Yes that is why we should vote for them. Forget the message and the obvious pocket dictator Panday has become in his own party. Is a set of mud slinging and ole talk with some dancing for the old man to make the feeble minded wonder at how 'vibrant' he is in his old age.

If we want to talk about crowd size then why not discuss the weather each was held in? And also the entertainment that was an obvious draw.

I hope you UNC supporters got your free t-shirts. Thats the only thing you'll see.

Maria, what happen to the IMF report that state that at the rate we spending we go be broke in less than 20 years? That coupled with the fact that is one set of white elephants, budget overruns and corruption going on right now but we making money so its ok right?

Who taxpayer dollars paying for CPEP to put up balisier for PNM rallys?

[Sirius]

Maria, there is no denying that the economy is booming, nor that it will continue to boom next year. However, our oil supplies are not infinite, and even if they were the wold is moving away from it. Our economy is still too heavily tied to a failing US economy. We are not diversifying; our plans are centered around the next year and not the next ten years. Whoever is in power needs to diversify a lot more than is currently being done.

There are other issues to look at as well: Social ills such as crime and lack of education. Free tuition is only one part of the equation: too many children do not have a basic education and so cannot qualify for further education to begin with or ever get a good job. We have traffic issues and the government is doing little to nothing to make a true remedy. Widen all the roads, build interchanges everywhere, put boats and trains to use...you still have the bottleneck at the city. We need to decentralize, but it's not happening. If nothing else, even more gov't offices are going up in POS.

Manning is displaying dictatorship tendencies. Do we really want him in power?

Panday was a great PM in his time, but now look at him. He cannot give up power; he comes off as no better than Manning. He wants back and he will not listen to the outcries that his time is over, and that until he steps aside there will be no UNC/COP unity. He continues to bawl corpse this and corpse that, and then expects unity. He has court cases on his head. He kicked Ramesh out instead of reconciling a few years ago. He undermined Dookeran and told him to take his jihaaji bundle and go. He make it out to be handing the Alliance to Kamla and then backtrack for himself and Jack. Do we really want him in power?

The UNCA rally was grand, I hand you that. But a crowd does not translate to votes. A crowd means people were willing to listen, and can potentially become votes. When you get a crowd, and then that crowd hears you calling for unity while insulting those you want to unite with, and hears you backtrack on putting up a leader; when that crowd sees a frontline member of your alliance resign and go public with the sordid reason why, and sees you back at the head after all the damage you have done...do you really think all those people in that crowd will be convinced to vote UNCA come election day?

A party has to work hard to convert the crowd of interest into votes. PNM is trying to do its damage control. COP is trying to make a name for itself. UNCA is persisting behind a maximum leader who has been voted out, been to prison, and been barred from parliament.

The UNCA had a lot of potential, but they threw it away. Mark my words...they're going to do even more poorly this time around than last.

[vaio]

Of the three rallies, the UNC's was the most dynamic, crowd pleasing,

Yes that is why we should vote for them. Forget the message and the obvious pocket dictator Panday has become in his own party. Is a set of mud slinging and ole talk with some dancing for the old man to make the feeble minded wonder at how 'vibrant' he is in his old age.

If we want to talk about crowd size then why not discuss the weather each was held in? And also the entertainment that was an obvious draw.

I hope you UNC supporters got your free t-shirts. Thats the only thing you'll see. it had lots of free tees, alcohol and food....hmmmm

Maria, what happen to the IMF report that state that at the rate we spending we go be broke in less than 20 years? That coupled with the fact that is one set of white elephants, budget overruns and corruption going on right now but we making money so its ok right?

Who taxpayer dollars paying for CPEP to put up balisier for PNM rallys?