No consideration for others..

[KFCSpicy]

This article in the Trinidad Express made me think about people (even more than I do). Why would you stroke your own ego by putting torn clothes and broken shoes and toys into the charity bin? Where are they supposed to get the personnel to stitch and re-heel the shoes? What about the machinery and materials? What child so disillusioned that a mash up toy go make that child happy? I mean come on people. If you are going to give to charity do so with some consideration long term.

The article is posted here for all who would like to read it.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161251346 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161251346)

Sigh people are so inconsiderate eh but they always say that yuh cud kill with kindness too. If you cyah do something right then just don't do it for goodness sake.

[sheppy]

I read the article...i do not think these people are trying to stroke their ego as much as they are just inconsiderate....and maybe a little out of touch with the realities of these homeless people...

I can see the logic in a person taking a shirt with maybe a small tear or maybe something they do not want to wear anymore...and giving it away to someone who possibly does not even have something ragged to wear...
you see a vagrant on the side of the road with a pants held together with rubber bands and figure ..well my pants just have a torn pocket...surely someone could put this to some use...
Everybody can't afford to buy new clothes and shoes for the homeless...sometimes they just get by..but know what it is like not to have..and donate hoping that it does some good...

What is sad is that the people donating the stuff maybe do have the means to donate something more substantial, but instead donate things that are really only fit to be thrown away...

but it really just goes to show where our priorities are.....

[KFCSpicy]

you mean to tell me grown folks eh thinking that their raggedy cast offs not fit for any other human being?

Exactly what kinda skill it takes for people to think "well dis shut buss up like ah roti skin either i sew it and then give it away or i bun it" My mother does make sure we give our old clothes or clothes that can no longer fit us away to the needy. She have two rules Sheppy, wash them and make sure they are all clean and two no rip up thread bare crap. Consideration either yuh have it or u don't. Either u seeking it by empathising with others or yuh not interested. Or simply put what u doh want for u...u must not wish for others. If I eh wearing de rubbish clothes why i passing it on?

No excuse at all Sheppy.

[Scorpio]

The people who do this lack common sense. :roll:

[KFCSpicy]

i agree, but please don't make any excuses for the inconsideration of humans.

[Scorpio]

wasn't making an excuse, they are inconsiderate people with no common sense.

[lexbarker]

May be the people who are donating these worn out stuff don't have better for themselves.

[Harry Williamn]

It seems so sad that people will do such a thing ...maybe some people did not intend to make a donayion but used the bin to throw away unwanted clothing ?

Such clothing should be sent to the Prison system and have the prisoners wash and repair the clothing which can be repaired and find a use for it but as heartless as such an seem in TNT it seems to me that this is far more cruel an heartless in a country which will be very,very,cold and perhaps deathly cold for these 130,000 children who shall be HOMELESS IN BRITAIN THIS YEAR!

What kind of people shall allow such in a so called " Modern country ?"

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" Homeless children figure 'doubles'
Dec 16 2007

More than 130,000 children in England will be homeless this Christmas, according to new research.

A report, compiled by shadow housing minister Grant Shapps, claims the numbers represent a "staggering" increase of 128% since 1997.

Mr Shapps said the doubling of the numbers of homeless children since Labour came to power highlights the "dismal record" of the Government.

The children were forgotten and left behind and there had been a dramatic failure in the area, he added.

The report, There's No Place Like Home, says many of the solutions revolve around "better and more coordinated" attempts to provide information, communication and support to people who might be on the verge of homelessness. And it says the speed at which people can be evicted from social housing may need to be reviewed.

The findings, which have been based on Government data, claim the number of homeless children living in England has risen by 128% since 1997 and could be as high as 147,000

Housing charity Shelter claims that homeless children are three to four times more likely to have mental health problems and twice as likely to be bullied at school.

Mr Shapps said: "For 130,000 homeless children in England, this Christmas is unlikely to be much fun. These children are being forgotten and left behind. Lack of permanent accommodation can have a grave impact on a child's health and development with devastating consequences.

"The fact that the number of homeless children has doubled over the past 10 years highlights the Government's dismal record in creating more social housing. It is hard to escape the conclusion that their policies have been a dramatic failure in this area."

Adam Sampson, chief executive of Shelter, said: "Britain is the fourth richest country in the world and it's a disgrace that we cannot guarantee all our children a home. Some advances have been made but we must do more."

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/uk-an ... -20258310/ (http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/uk-and-world-news/2007/12/16/homeless-children-figure-doubles-84229-20258310/)

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In TNT like it or not the EVIL PNM ( according to some ) and the Wicked UNCA ( according to some ) ....it is my belief that the majority and the Minority Government together with the Churches and the kind and loving TNT Republicans will never stand idly by and allow 130,000 children to be homeless in this TNT.

Now TNT Republicans prove me wromg.

If anyone takes offence I am sorry but when people allude to TNT people being " inconsiderate " it is incumbent upon me to show that it may be a great idea to examine where you live before you blast TNT.

My disclaimer is this: This POST is not personally directed to anyone but to the facts.

[Harry Williamn]

I just saw this one also:
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" Thieves steal disabled boy’s laptop
Dec 15 2007 by Angela Rainey, Evening Gazette

HEARTLESS thieves have stolen a £500 laptop used by a disabled schoolboy to interact with classmates.

The laptop, a black HP Compaq Notebook, was taken during a break-in at Sunnyside Primary, Manor Farm Way, Coulby Newham.

Pupil Owen Swift, 10, suffers from the rare neurological disorder transverse myelitis and is in a wheelchair.

He has the use of only his left hand. The computer and its specialist software was bought last year to enable Owen to access the whiteboard. All his school work is stored on it.

Mum Rosie, 40, of Coulby Manor Farm, Coulby Newham, is saddened by the theft, which comes just weeks after Owen’s dream trip to the set of Coronation Street with UK charity Wish Upon a Star.

His mum told the Gazette: “I found out when I took him to school on the Thursday and I was upset when the teacher told me.

“It’s terrible that someone would go into a school and do such a thing.”

Meanwhile disgusted parents have been donating money to help fund a replacement.

Headteacher Paul Scott, said: “Owen is a lovely little boy who has been significantly disadvantaged by this. Without the laptop he cannot access all parts of the curriculum, which will reduce his ability and performance.

“We have other computers in school but none with the specialist software - we would like the computer returned. Parents have been sending in donations which goes to show what a great a community the school is in - whoever did this is not a reflection of the people here.”

Anyone with information on the December 5 theft is asked to contact PC Brian Hughff on 01642 303418 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.
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http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess ... -20254063/ (http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2007/12/15/thieves-steal-disabled-boy-s-laptop-84229-20254063/)

And this next one beats the TNT criminals....a Ride By Shooting near an infant school!!! Even TNT crimos eh reach that low!
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"Man hurt in ride-by shooting
Dec 15 2007 by Naomi Corrigan, Evening Gazette

POLICE called for calm today after a terrifying shotgun attack by two masked men near a Teesside infants school.

The community of Grangetown was left horrified by the shooting which occurred at 3.30pm yesterday, while children were walking back from school.

One local seven-year-old girl had to be taken to hospital suffering from shock after witnessing the attack.

The two men, who were riding a large trials bike and wore black balaclavas, fired two shots at a 30-year-old man as he walked across the grassed area behind St Mary’s Club, in Grangetown, just metres away from St Mary’s Infants School.

The man was hit twice in the buttocks before the suspects proceeded to ride off towards Grange Close.

He was taken to hospital by ambulance and is receiving treatment for his injuries which are not believed to be life-threatening.

The area was cordoned off overnight and increased police patrols were being maintained throughout today.

Detectives are treating the incident as attempted murder.

Local residents spoke of their horror at the crime.

Kevin Livermore, 30, said his daughter Maisey, seven, witnessed the attack and was so distressed she had to be taken to hospital. He said: “She was in a right state when she came in.

“She had been going to her friend’s house and as she was crossing the road a motorbike came past with two lads on it wearing black masks.

“She said she heard a bang. Apparently they shot twice.

“The second time she said she could see a flash coming from the gun. She was really shook up, and she was a right mess and had to be taken to hospital.

“It’s disgusting really. Things like that happen but you don’t expect it on your own doorstep.

“It’s really annoyed me because of the effect it’s had on her.”

A neighbour said he had heard the victim is nicknamed “Geordie”. He said: “It’s happening all over now.”

Another resident said: “It’s not very nice, but you get used to it.”

Detective Chief Inspector Amanda Oliver of Cleveland Police appealed for information.

She said: “We are treating this incident as an attempted murder.

“It was not a random attack, it was targeted towards that man.

“Additional policing resources are in the area to reassure the public and we would appeal for calm.

“It was a cowardly attack which happened at a time when children were leaving school.

“While the injuries sustained were not life-threatening, it could have been so much worse, even resulting in loss of life.”

Anyone with information can contact police, anonymously if they wish, on 01642 302626."

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess ... -20254101/ (http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2007/12/15/man-hurt-in-ride-by-shooting-84229-20254101/)

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This pattern and post could go on and on but the point of the Post is this:
TNT has a crime Problem like ,most countries where freedom is allowed and the RULE of LAW becomes Supreme and where people are allowed rights and guilt or innocence are decided by a duly established court of Law and not by " mob rule" ...and add to that an educated population which can read and understand their rights one will find Criminal elements who will use the law as a cover for their criminal acts knowing full well the limitations of the Police in tying to Catch them therefore it is dangerous and irresponsible,in my view,for anyone who believes in the rule of law to be degrading and putting down our TNT because of the actions of coward but edcuated and informed Criminals among us especially when the ones painting TNT bad live in countries where the crimes are more numerous per 100,000 and just as violent and dangerous and even more so than in TNT.
Prove me wrong by intelligent debate or go quietly into the cyber night!

[dancerboy]

HARRY WILLIAMN, you have a serious problem my friend. Why when an issue comes up that requires some serious thought, you always try to trivialize it by implying it happens in "advance' countries. With all due respect and no offence, if you have a teenage duaghter, and she gets pregnant, do you quote statistics to let her know that she is not alone in this. HARRY, i raised my children in NEW YORK, and there was a lot of peer pressure, as you can well imagine, but i set my standards. YOU seem to be the type of parents who dumb down their children. By that i mean parents, who say THANK GOD, he not in jail, THANK GOD, he not on drugs,THANK GOD, she didn't get pregnant, you get my drift. I raised two children, and i THANK GOD that they are well adjusted, and can stand on 'their own two feet. THAT'S A GREAT FEAT. DANCERBOY

[Harry Williamn]

I am sorry but I do not see my post as " trivializing " anything at all and I never had to tell my Children what you suggested because they grew up in an Environment which was virtually free from the stench of negative yankee influence hence they were respectful of their parents,teachers,the law,their elders and their friends were like minded because they grew up in TNT in a loving and caring environment and the obejective of me and my children is to return TNT to such an environment why is that so hard to understand and what is wrong with that,sir ?

Those of you who knew the environment of which I speak know that it produced Manning,Panday,Sir,Hugh Wooding,Hedgewedge Bereaux,Justice Ralph Narine,Dookeran,Karl Hudson Phillips,Vernon Jamadar,Rudindranath Capildeo( DR.) ,Theordore guerra,vernon DeLima,Dr.Keith Rowley,Kamla,Ramseh L Maraj and so on...so even the Mighty Sparrow ( who had a juvenile problem ) was straightened out by the positive environment to become the Mighty Sparrow...what is wrong with wanting such an environment back in my TNT ?

So I do have a serious problem because it takes a lot of work against the negatives of the USA and Canada and Britain to return my TNT to its former morality and it shall be done in my lifetime and no one can stop that!

[KFCSpicy]

Excuse me but my thread was not started for your rantings so either stick to the topic or beat it like a bowl of eggs.

[kayt]

It might help if charities had a sign stating that all recieved goods should be clean, serviceable, and clothes should have no damage or minimum damage that has already been repaired. If these conditions aren't met then the donation will not be accepted. Sometimes some people need reminders.

I treat my donations as something I would hand to my relatives if they wanted it. There are times when family swapsor give out hand me-downs.

If things are torn, showing signs of being too worn, then that belongs in the bin.

[KFCSpicy]

my question once again is why oh why we constantly need to be telling grown folks how to act? where is the common sense that a lot of people advocate they have? :shock:

[Mivo]

It's never too late eh next time I going home I will defintely take the towels and other hygenic stuff for the children, I will buy the detergents and other items at thome. Does anyone have phone numbers for these homes I would like to contribute monetary donation

[KFCSpicy]

i suggest to avoid temptation by the staff that yuh just donate what is needed. If it is that they have clean records of no suspiciousness going on in the ranks then by all means give yuh money. I personally like to see where my money going to work. Good on you Mivo.

[sheppy]

my question once again is why oh why we constantly need to be telling grown folks how to act? where is the common sense that a lot of people advocate they have?

Because nobody told them when they were growing up...or they have forgotten what they were taught...

we have lost touch with our old values...

[Mivo]

off topic a little. This summer I took home so much stuff to donate to charity but meh family did not noe where none was, so I left the items with them to give to the principal of where there child goes,so he/she can give to needy kids of the school. Now that I have names of organizations I will definetly give to them

[Harry Williamn]

The " Target Remains " Sir!

130,000 homeless children ..heartless thieves stealing a crippled child laptop....gunfire in the prescence of little infants ?

Why is it that those who sould seek to tell us over here in TNT how to behave do not direct their great " brains" and " high intelligence " towards solving the dire problems which they face in thier adopted countries and stop trying to direct us as to how we should live,behave and treat our criminals and run our coubtry ....skating around the problem by trying to " down play " the cogent replies about 130,000 homeless children ? Gunning down and mna in the presecene of infants ? Stealing a crippled kid's laptop ?...seems to me to be dead on the

TOPIC of " NO CONSIDERATION FOR OTHERS" maybe such behaviour is so akin to the " norm " in such a society that it is construed as " consideration? " or is it that everytime some folks read a TNT Newspaper they head straight for the Crime section and completely ignore the other sections where decent TNT folks who live here every day are making their positive and uplifting contributions to the building of a magnificent TNT ?

Did any one ever stop to consider if the person who did that was mentally disturbed or high on " crack" of seething with problems ?

Which one of you could acutually believe that our decent and upright citizens could or would ever do such a thing ?
You do have the right to believe what you will and do what you will but when you post things which are denigrating to my TNT I shall as long as I am allowed to reply to the pointr and on target and topic.
You cannot devalue this " pound "....I have quoted facts showing how considerate the people in your adopted country are!

[vaio]

some ppl dont think of how they wld feel if roles were reversed...do unto others as you would have them do unto you....

[Harry Williamn]

Tell dat to bush and dem wen dey trying to " save and protect " innocent Iraqis from Sadam meanwhile well over 400,000 people have already died in Darfur from genocide .......
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/displ ... s0.3288843 (http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=October&x=20061002115412eaifas0.3288843)

So while some people yap on about how TNT people dropping dirty clothes in a donation box in the very Countries in which they live and give their life blood daily are allowing by what they have failed to do thousands of men,women and children to live and die and be raped and tortured daily.
" do so eh like so ?" While the most vociferous of those who rail against TNT remain silent.

[vaio]

oh lord...while i say that a comparison is useless HW...this is not the thread to discuss....K started this thread to look at the donation boxes....why don't you start your own thread to show the effects of genocide...i see nothin wrong there..

[Harry Williamn]

Because any thread which appears to ( I say appear because I am not in dey mind ) attack the Citizens of TNT ( expecially by non citizens ( ex pats ) is fair game and the comparison is very ,very,clear,why worry about a report about a donation box when where you live in your beloved country people shooting each other in the prescence of infants and stealing a crippled child laptop and your government which has so much militray power wasting it ( in my view ) in Iraq while there is genocide going on as we speak and are we to be " more concerned " with someone who for whatever reasons ( he or she could have been a thief changing clothes or a mentally ill person doing their do ) with some torn maybe even mistakenly drops some not so great clothing in a bin than with attempting to direct your venom to your very own country and what it has failed to do in Darfur ?

So please, I appreciate your attempts at directions etc ( you yourself has been not nice to my post but it is okay ) you may do well to instruct thsoe whom you defend to clean up their language and their insults and to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the intelligent dicing and slicing of post until we see what is really under the skin of the post.

Thank you and have a pleasant day.

[vaio]

:?

[KFCSpicy]

my question once again is why oh why we constantly need to be telling grown folks how to act? where is the common sense that a lot of people advocate they have?

Because nobody told them when they were growing up...or they have forgotten what they were taught...

we have lost touch with our old values...

true talk Sheppy...on all fronts.

[vaio]

like K put somebody on ignore... 8-)

[KFCSpicy]

Mivo that was a really sweet thing you did hun and very thoughtful. Laventille Boys' Primary school has a lot of needy cases too...i did my internship their in 1994...so i know that the kids there (some not all) would be happy to get little thoughtful things from the people who give a damn.

Hope you are blessed 1000 times over for doing good Mivo, no matter how small.

[sacky]

so you telling me them people who recieving the gifts aint grateful or would they rather go to the beetham and wait on the rubbish trucks to arrive and pick it up from there. :evil: :evil: :evil:

[KFCSpicy]

^^^^we are not talking about the gratefulness of the less fortunate. is that why most of u give? so people should feel grateful that u did? this goes back to the egos of the givers. if the gift u give is positively useless or causes stress to the receiver then why should they be ever grateful that u deigned to toss your rubbish at them?

:roll:

[Harry Williamn]

Great point because some of us experience exactly what you said right here on the forum everyday as what you yourself describe is " tossed " at them.
Gosh ah feeling it!

People who give and talk about it some of the time or all of the time or at all did not really ever give to charity but they have given to a person to " buy " from that person a feeling of importanve because the Lord Jesus Christ himself directed the righteous to " give your gift " in secret that your father in heaven who sees what you have given from your heart shall reward you openly.

So much so called " charity given out of consideration for others " are given in some Foreign countries as an " investment " because it is " TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

So like it or not if you really gave from the heart no one will have been hearing about it ever!

Yet the lady made a very solid point above but why do you really give ? Is it to get the satisfaction that you can ? Why ?

Whatever your reason stay strong or weak in the knowledeg that " YOu cannot lie to yourself." You know the truth.

[gaia]

In TNT like it or not the EVIL PNM ( according to some ) and the Wicked UNCA ( according to some ) ....it is my belief that the majority and the Minority Government together with the Churches and the kind and loving TNT Republicans will never stand idly by and allow 130,000 children to be homeless in this TNT.

Now TNT Republicans prove me wromg.
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HW, what do you know about the homeless children right here in TT. What is the gov´ment doing about them? How can we compare England, many millions with our 1,3 millions? 130 000 is a small amount in england, but still 130 000 too much. At least the problem is brought out into the open and will be dealth with. Who talks about our problem. Some compassionate social workers without the means to do anything. I am sure you read about the single woman who was given 10 000 in material which she is unable to use herself, have no financial resources to pay others. An election gimmick no doubt. Why must pple live on charity? Why do we have 51 home for children in such a small nation. ?? PPle dont need charity at Xmas time. They need skills, support to get on their feet. teach them to fish...

[Harry Williamn]

gaia
You must call a spade a spade...one homeless child is one too much in a country which spends millions making war on Iraq and the reason why the facts were shown is very simple: The Ex pats point to heartless people here as if where they live do not have heartless people.
Or vicious crimes

You have to be in the living in the States but that is okay.

Let me direct your mind to this to answer your questions:

Why charity ?

Why it is not the job of he Government to provide charity and skills to people who did not learn in school ?

The answer is very simple and you will not like it:

WE LIVE IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY.

Governments are not in place to give handouts nor education to people who have past the age for education in the Public Institutions.
In our society it is an economy where we allow the market forces to decide everything economic .

At times Government indulges in housing etc but it is all to buy votes to stay in power because it is not the role of a Capitalist Government to provide housing for people.

People have to work and invest and get their own money and buy or rent a house.

Let the Church do all that charity work hence they get very generous tax breaks.

All beggars ( who are not mentally ill or crippled or disabled ) should be locked up if caught begging and sent to prison where they shall engage in a work for food and shelter program.

It is the way of the capitalist society where you work you eat if you do not work you do not eat unless you robbed someone who worked.
If you cannot work we shall feed you.

It is that simple.
IT IS CALLED CAPITALISM ask President george W,Bush and ex president ( deceased ) Regan.

[sacky]

so what you are saying is that ,its not good to give,cause there should be a clause in you giving, :roll:

[KFCSpicy]

:shock: :roll: :roll:

[Harry Williamn]

What I saying is it is not the role of Governments to give " Charity " in a capitalist society.

It is not my business if you give or not and when you give and you allow anyone to know then you motives become suspect ....just give in secret ?
Yes but what are you giving really ? The old clothes that you do not want ( because you have eat yourself out of house and clothes ?)or and the new clothes that the store will not take back ?

What are you really giving ? Is it the poor or the garbage can ? How many of you are giving only what is useles to you or your friends and family ?

The point here is, are you giving to get some kind of reward be it a Tax break or for he chance to boast about how much charity you have given etc or to feel important or to get rid of the so called gifts to make room for your lates cheap chineese goods from Wal mart or Costco....
The inescapbel TARGET WILL REMAIN which is: When you give it is your very own personal business do not tell anyone and let God judge you as to why you give and let God reward you.

[sacky]

according to whats being said here,its better the thought than the act. :lol: